# Suave as X
**URL:** https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024
**Category:** SUAVE
**Tags:** brainstorming, suave
**Created:** [January 12, 2023, 12:29pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024 "2023-01-12T12:29:20Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 1
### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2023, 12:29pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/1 "2023-01-12T12:29:20Z")
Half-baked ideas for what could be built on Suave/what Suave role Suave can play
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### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2023, 12:32pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/2 "2023-01-12T12:32:24Z")
Suave as a ** ~~Continuous~~ LOB**
Users can submit bids _Pay (x) to anyone who gets me at least (y) of asset A on domain B_|
You can also make the bids more complex like having quantity as a function of price etc.
Also, ideally the payment of (x) happens on B and not on Suave, to simplify capital management.
See Jump’s description of this idea a while ago [SLOB: Searcher Limit Order Book](https://jumpcrypto.com/searcher-limit-order-book/)
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### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2023, 12:42pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/3 "2023-01-12T12:42:17Z")
Suave as a **Frequent Batch Auction** :
Similar to the limit order example above except the payment predicate has additional conditions “on domain E, with all trades of type C executing at a uniform price”
[of course, there’s still lots of manipulation that could happen with only this condition such as only including orders going one direction etc. so more thought it required]
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### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2023, 12:54pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/4 "2023-01-12T12:54:52Z")
Suave as a **decentralised relay for multisigs** :
Multisig sub-transactions need to be combined somehow (for a non-sc multisig).
[Just putting it out there, I assume there’s some DDOS angles etc. I haven’t taken into account - need to look into this a lot more]
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### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/5 "2023-01-12T12:58:10Z")
Suave as a **(one-way) bridge**
“Pay (x) to whoever gives me (x-\epsilon) on domain B”
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### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2023, 2:07pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/6 "2023-01-12T14:07:46Z")
Suave as **M’** :
If M is your original mechanism (e.g. Ethereum) and there is room for strategic action by the executor of M (e.g. validator set) that allows for larger returns, one can use M’ to restrict the actions taken by the executor of M. The question is how do you get the executor in M to obey M’ and what to do about strategic deviations by the executors of M’.
Note: @sxysun calls the inevitable strategic deviations by the executor of M’ “MEV incompleteness”
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### Author:  [@shea](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/shea)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/7 "2023-01-13T21:12:00Z")
+1 That jump writeup is great.
Anoma actually talks a lot about the LOB use case. It’s not trivial to run orderbook-based protocols on chain so people are forced to create alternatives. Typically this involves two things that are suboptimal: (1) making your own custom signature scheme for the orders and (2) storing and matching the orders off chain. Examples include opensea, dydx/limit orderbooks (though they’re now trying to do more of it on their appchain), even cowswap.
You could think of suave as a solution to both problems – we create single generic order type that you can include any format of payload in, and a decentralized layer for messaging and matching them.
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### Author:  [@apriori](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/apriori)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/8 "2023-03-13T16:35:05Z")
Suave as a prime brokerage for global blockspace.
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### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/9 "2023-03-13T18:05:14Z")
Suave as a labour union for users
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### Author:  [@apriori](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/apriori)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2023, 7:47pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/10 "2023-03-15T19:47:58Z")
Suave as an air traffic controller for AGI searchers
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### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/11 "2023-03-17T14:22:22Z")
Suave as perpetual motion machine
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### Author:  [@apriori](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/apriori)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/12 "2023-03-17T23:13:12Z")
Suave as a philosopher’s stone for blockspace
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### Author:  [@Jon](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Jon)
#### Post date: [May 5, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/13 "2023-05-05T21:31:35Z")
SUAVE as on-chain task rabbit
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### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [June 5, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/14 "2023-06-05T21:16:49Z")
SUAVE as the **general-purpose chain’s response to app chains**
App chains run on the thesis that specific applications will need to be able to modularise the whole stack to suit their needs. SUAVE add programmability to for app designers that extends outside the EVM without having to switch to an app-chain.
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### Author:  [@Hasu](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Hasu)
#### Post date: [June 6, 2023, 10:56am UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/15 "2023-06-06T10:56:54Z")
I like this a lot.
Can you think of an ABCI++ analogy?
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### Author:  [@apriori](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/apriori)
#### Post date: [June 26, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/16 "2023-06-26T16:46:07Z")
SUAVE is the interface between agents and their preferred blockchain application. This is critical to understanding why SUAVE can give agents better tools for expressing their preferences by inserting those preferences into the block building process with credible commitments.
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### Author:  [@Fred](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Fred)
#### Post date: [August 1, 2023, 7:09am UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/17 "2023-08-01T07:09:54Z")
SUAVE as a room-temperature superconductor for blockchains.
(Little known fact: The _S_ in SUAVE actually stands for _superconductor_)
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### Author:  [@phureewat](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/phureewat)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/18 "2023-08-31T15:06:58Z")
Suave as Uber for X but decentralize and on-chain
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### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [September 7, 2023, 5:52am UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/19 "2023-09-07T05:52:24Z")
suave as the hypervisor for your blockchain’s VM
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### Author:  [@samlaf](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/samlaf)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2024, 3:15pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/suave-as-x/1024/20 "2024-01-25T15:15:50Z")
Suave as [https://uniswap.org/whitepaper-uniswapx.pdf](https://uniswap.org/whitepaper-uniswapx.pdf) (this is literally what I thought this thread was about haha)
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