# MEV Roast- Privacy- January 11th, 2023
**URL:** https://collective.flashbots.net/t/mev-roast-privacy-january-11th-2023/935
**Category:** Events
**Created:** [December 19, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/mev-roast-privacy-january-11th-2023/935 "2022-12-19T19:29:18Z")
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### Author:  [@sarah.allen](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/sarah.allen)
#### Post date: [December 19, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/mev-roast-privacy-january-11th-2023/935/1 "2022-12-19T19:29:18Z")
# MEV Roast- Privacy
### Date: 2023-01-11T16:00:00Z
### Start: 11:00am ET / 8:00am PT / 4:00pm UTC / 12:00am China Standard Time
### Estimated runtime: approximately 2.5 hours
### Roast master: Justin Drake (Ethereum Foundation)
### Event type: virtual, [Zoom link](https://us06web.zoom.us/j/2466805965), Meeting ID: 246 680 5965
_MEV Roasts were a monthly tradition from the MEV Pi-rate Ship. You can see a past MEV Roast agenda [here](https://github.com/flashbots/pm/issues/72). Flashbots Research plans to bring back occasional roasts, and we will start on January 11th with a MEV Roast on privacy. For each roast we invite researchers to present insights from MEV-related research they are working on or interesting early stage proposals for community feedback._
**Stream: ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di5fO99lCPo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di5fO99lCPo)) / Link to join ([Launch Meeting - Zoom](https://us06web.zoom.us/j/2466805965))**
### 🔥 **Pt 0: Introduction & Memes**
### 🔥 **Pt 1: Why and Where- Why and where do we want privacy?**
_In MEV markets, a user’s information is valuable. Supporting privacy for users in MEV means empowering them and shielding them from value extraction due to information asymmetry. Are there additional motivations to protect privacy? Also, privacy is differently impactful depending where it is protected within the transaction supply chain stack. In which areas should privacy be protected? Where may privacy be undesirable?_
- **Why Privacy in MEV** - Quintus Kilbourn (Flashbots)- [Slides](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/18lAuKFZyWgJiYOO6oRtRoI9hrzpv5Sev-UugQSej0uk/edit?usp=sharing)
- **Privacy Tradeoffs** - Phil Daian (Flashbots)- [Slides](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1h2OmtsALvy70GLVciMIpAO-QiD4qkrUO-rt_Og-vlAA/edit)
### 🔥 **Pt 2: How- How can we provide privacy?**
_For each part of the transaction supply chain, privacy can be offered with different techniques making different trust assumptions. Which privacy-preserving tools best serve our needs, and what are the best practices for their use? What are the limitations of current privacy-preserving techniques?_
- **Encrypted Mempools** - Justin Drake (Ethereum Foundation)- [Slides](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1eKt6nR15umuxcej8Nj-osiDm_4ZvG32FdfAqG2-1-cI/edit?usp=sharing)
- **TEE Smart Contracts: Pitfalls and Best Practices** - Andrew Miller (UIUC)- [Slides](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gzO9QMeY8nr7dbSrOsD6lWT3Eem-sHANEsPQmeK9p70/edit?usp=sharing)
- **Private Searching on Private Transactions: From Covert Channels in SGX to MPC (and Back to SGX?)**- Robert Annessi (Flashbots)- [Slides](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1G2QcGZHvtmpPJ1XFCqojPrwQISj9HgUyBvL6Yyh50Ac/edit#slide=id.p)
- **Minimizing MEV on Penumbra** - Henry de Valence (Penumbra)- [Slides](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h5BO4dZA4XJOdMU1P1l1PD0KCFSAKZNC/view?usp=sharing)
- **The Joys and Challenges of Adopting PETs - Present and Future Applications of Privacy Enhancing Techs at Flashbots** - Jonathan Passerat-Palmbach (Flashbots)- [Slides](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ktHmFI35SamkQ0Z-F5hRUoD8xxodXi8nRYa_gcdQ7MA/edit?usp=sharing)
- **Spicy SGX Panel** (Moderated by Justin Drake; Panelists Andrew Miller, Jonathan Passerat-Palmbach, Phil Daian)
_Roast panel questions from the Roast Master (with purposefully abrasive language to fit the “roast” theme 😊):_
• Intel has deprecated SGX on consumer CPUs. What if Intel fully deprecates SGX in 2023?
• MEV is in large part about low latency. How can SGX be competitive on latency?
• SGX is known for being leaky. Is SGX suitable for mempool privacy?
• SGX has a terrible reputation. Isn’t this a massive headwind for adoption?
• What if an unpatchable critical SGX vulnerability is discovered after the launch of SUAVE?
We will update this post to include the slides used once they are available.
Please reply to this thread if you have suggestions for this agenda and want to participate in the creation of this event. ⚡🤖
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### Author:  [@socrates1024](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/socrates1024)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2022, 4:59am UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/mev-roast-privacy-january-11th-2023/935/2 "2022-12-21T04:59:25Z")
im interested to talk about sgx privacy and mev
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### Author:  [@marvin](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/marvin)
#### Post date: [December 21, 2022, 6:16am UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/mev-roast-privacy-january-11th-2023/935/3 "2022-12-21T06:16:30Z")
Sounds perfect. Will come and share Phala solution on that
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### Author:  [@zlysunshine2023](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/zlysunshine2023)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/mev-roast-privacy-january-11th-2023/935/4 "2023-01-09T15:09:52Z")
Look forward!
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### Author:  [@zlysunshine2023](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/zlysunshine2023)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/mev-roast-privacy-january-11th-2023/935/5 "2023-01-09T20:58:45Z")
I am especially interested in how SGX and MEV are interacted! MEV is not a brand new problem but an inherited one of historical issues.
In economics, we call it principal-agent problem.
In traditional finance (especially high-frequency trading), we call it front-running.
I am especially interested in:
1. how new privacy-preserving technologies such as SGX enables new possibilities in MEV or/and it’s solutions beyond what is possible in principle-agent issues in traditional economy/finance?
2. how SGX and other new technologies changes the impacts of MEV in two different facets: efficiency and inequality. For example, if MEV revenue is larger than the opportunity cost, then MEV improves efficiency. But the distribution between different stake-holders such as users, proposers, builders, and searchers might not be fair.(coined as decentralization issue)
I am looking forward to your insight. 🤩
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### Author:  [@metachris](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/metachris)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2023, 12:44pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/mev-roast-privacy-january-11th-2023/935/6 "2023-01-12T12:44:33Z")
Here’s the full recording on YouTube: [MEV Roast - Privacy | January 11th, 2023 - YouTube](https://youtu.be/Di5fO99lCPo?t=591)
Timestamps for individual talks are in the description, thanks @Fred!
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### Author:  [@Fred](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Fred)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/mev-roast-privacy-january-11th-2023/935/7 "2023-01-19T19:01:23Z")
Separate videos for each talk during the roast have now been uploaded on Youtube as well! 📺
[**Why Privacy in MEV** - Quintus Kilbourn (Flashbots)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ_c-69neUQ)
[**Privacy Tradeoffs** - Phil Daian (Flashbots)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueZMJHGsQzc)
[**Encrypted Mempools** - Justin Drake (Ethereum Foundation)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRM0CpGY3sw)
[**TEE Smart Contracts: Pitfalls and Best Practices** - Andrew Miller (UIUC)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qgPd5kcwBs)
[**Private Searching on Private Transactions** - Robert Annessi (Flashbots)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vzOXOUMLpo)
[**Minimizing MEV on Penumbra** - Henry de Valence (Penumbra)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4VzJI6gytQ)
[**The Joys and Challenges of Adopting PETs** - Jonathan Passerat-Palmbach (Flashbots)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iy8zSl96Ck)