# About the Trustless TEEs category
**URL:** https://collective.flashbots.net/t/about-the-trustless-tees-category/4168
**Category:** Trustless TEEs
**Tags:** security, hardware
**Created:** [November 26, 2024, 7:15am UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/about-the-trustless-tees-category/4168 "2024-11-26T07:15:45Z")
**Posts on this page:** 2
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### Author:  [@Fred](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Fred)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2024, 7:15am UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/about-the-trustless-tees-category/4168/1 "2024-11-26T07:15:45Z")
This category is dedicate to discussions about hardware-related efforts to improve trust assumptions in secure hardware that leverages remote attestation (TEE for short).
Today, there is no TEE available that gives the end user guarantees that their hardware does not contain a **trojan** of some form. The situation is so bad that in almost all cases even low-level software is kept hidden from the user, let alone the hardware design. Additionally, while some products like hardware wallets consider **physical attackers** in their threat model, performant TEEs require trust in the cloud provider or any other party who has physical access to the hardware.
Neither of these assumptions are acceptable over the long term.
For a quick introduction, here are a few overview posts written by our community:
- [Zero Trust Execution Environments](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/zero-trust-execution-environments/3966)
- [Autonomous TEEs Manifesto](https://poeticte.ch/posts/autonomous-TEEs-manifesto.html)
- [qtee: Searching for Security through Physics](https://github.com/sbellem/qtee)
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### Author:  [@Quintus](https://collective.flashbots.net/u/Quintus)
#### Post date: [April 2, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://collective.flashbots.net/t/about-the-trustless-tees-category/4168/2 "2025-04-02T14:58:58Z")
Note this topic has moved to its own forum!
> **[TEE Kettle](https://forum.teekettle.org/)**
>
> Trustless TEEs Talk